*Official Thread* Anthem AVM 70 & 90 and MRX 540, 740 & 1140

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These are my actual Arc setting and results:

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I messed up on the quick measure by not level matching the left speaker to 75db, so now the bass is messed up on mid frequencies. The Arc results originally showed a 6db for fronts and centre and this resulted the main speakers being too loud at low volumes and I could not hear the effect of the mid bass produced by the subwoofer. And when I put the master volume up to hear the subwoofer mids then the system will sound too loud for the ears from the main speakers. So what this meant was good by mid bass. I tried to help by bumping the room gain but that resulted in bass sounding not so clean and tight. It actually sounds muddy and bloated. Now what I am going to do next is do the quick measure just like how you mentioned it earlier and I hope that will help.
Speaker Profile Settings
Profile1 uses Measurement A
Profile2 uses Measurement Profile3 uses Measurement Profile4 uses Measurement
List of Speakers Enabled
Profile1:
· Fronts
· Center
· Surrounds
· Subwoofer 1
Profile2:
· Fronts
· Subwoofer 1
Profile3:
· Fronts
· Center
· Surrounds
· Subwoofer 1
Profile4:
· Fronts
· Center
· Surrounds
· Subwoofer 1
Level Settings
Profile1:
B C D
System-Wide Level Target: 0 dB Front Left: 3.5 dB, 2.45 m Center: 2.5 dB, 2.25 m
Front Right: 3.5 dB, 2.50 m Subwoofer 1: -1.5 dB, 2.50 m Surround Left: 6 dB, 1.10 m Surround Right: 9.5 dB, 1.95 m
Profile2:
System-Wide Level Target: 0 dB Front Left: 3.5 dB, 2.45 m

Front Right: 3.5 dB, 2.55 m Subwoofer 1: -1.5 dB, 2.60 m
Profile3:
System-Wide Level Target: 0 dB Front Left: 4 dB, 2.45 m
Center: 2.5 dB, 2.25 m
Front Right: 4 dB, 2.60 m Subwoofer 1: -1.5 dB, 2.70 m Surround Left: 4 dB, 1.20 m Surround Right: 9.5 dB, 2.10 m
Profile4:
System-Wide Level Target: 0 dB Front Left: 4.5 dB, 2.45 m Center: 2.5 dB, 2.25 m
Front Right: 4 dB, 2.60 m Subwoofer 1: -1 dB, 2.65 m Surround Left: 5 dB, 1.20 m Surround Right: 9 dB, 2.10 m
Target Settings
Profile1:
Room Gain: 6 dB
Room Gain Center Frequency: 200 Hz Deep Bass Boost: 0.875 dB
Deep Bass Boost Center Frequency: 50 Hz Tilt Level: 0 dB
Tilt Start Frequency: 100 Hz
FRONTS
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 80 Hz Send Bass to Sub (or Low-Frequency Extension Slope): Send bass to the sub High-Frequency Roll Off: 4.46
Maximum Correction Frequency: 5000 Hz
CENTER
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 80 Hz Send Bass to Sub (or Low-Frequency Extension Slope): Send bass to the sub High-Frequency Roll Off: 4.91
Maximum Correction Frequency: 5000 Hz
SURROUNDS
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 90 Hz

Send Bass to Sub (or Low-Frequency Extension Slope): Send bass to the sub High-Frequency Roll Off: 3.05
Maximum Correction Frequency: 5000 Hz
SUBWOOFER 1
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 220 Hz High-Pass Frequency: 15 Hz
High-Pass Slope: Flat
Minimum Correction Frequency: 16 Hz
Phase Filter: 0 degrees @ 80 Hz
Profile2:
Room Gain: 6 dB
Room Gain Center Frequency: 200 Hz Deep Bass Boost: 1.5 dB
Deep Bass Boost Center Frequency: 50 Hz Tilt Level: 0 dB
Tilt Start Frequency: 100 Hz
FRONTS
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 80 Hz Send Bass to Sub (or Low-Frequency Extension Slope): Send bass to the sub High-Frequency Roll Off: 4.91
Maximum Correction Frequency: 5000 Hz
SUBWOOFER 1
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 220 Hz High-Pass Frequency: 15 Hz
High-Pass Slope: Flat
Minimum Correction Frequency: 15 Hz
Phase Filter: 30 degrees @ 80 Hz
Profile3:
Room Gain: 5.5 dB
Room Gain Center Frequency: 200 Hz Deep Bass Boost: 0.75 dB
Deep Bass Boost Center Frequency: 50 Hz Tilt Level: 0 dB
Tilt Start Frequency: 100 Hz
FRONTS
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 80 Hz Send Bass to Sub (or Low-Frequency Extension Slope): Send bass to the sub High-Frequency Roll Off: 3.05

Maximum Correction Frequency: 5000 Hz
CENTER
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 80 Hz Send Bass to Sub (or Low-Frequency Extension Slope): Send bass to the sub High-Frequency Roll Off: 3.69
Maximum Correction Frequency: 5000 Hz
SURROUNDS
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 90 Hz Send Bass to Sub (or Low-Frequency Extension Slope): Send bass to the sub High-Frequency Roll Off: 4.46
Maximum Correction Frequency: 5000 Hz
SUBWOOFER 1
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 200 Hz High-Pass Frequency: 19 Hz
High-Pass Slope: Flat
Minimum Correction Frequency: 16 Hz
Phase Filter: 0 degrees @ 80 Hz
Profile4:
Room Gain: 5.625 dB
Room Gain Center Frequency: 200 Hz Deep Bass Boost: 0.5 dB
Deep Bass Boost Center Frequency: 50 Hz Tilt Level: 0 dB
Tilt Start Frequency: 100 Hz
FRONTS
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 80 Hz Send Bass to Sub (or Low-Frequency Extension Slope): Send bass to the sub High-Frequency Roll Off: 4.46
Maximum Correction Frequency: 5000 Hz
CENTER
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 80 Hz Send Bass to Sub (or Low-Frequency Extension Slope): Send bass to the sub High-Frequency Roll Off: 4.91
Maximum Correction Frequency: 5000 Hz
SURROUNDS
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 90 Hz Send Bass to Sub (or Low-Frequency Extension Slope): Send bass to the sub High-Frequency Roll Off: 3.05

Maximum Correction Frequency: 5000 Hz
SUBWOOFER 1
Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (or Low-Frequency Extension): 130 Hz High-Pass Frequency: 15 Hz
High-Pass Slope: Flat
Minimum Correction Frequency: 16 Hz
Phase Filter: 0 degrees @ 80 Hz

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Before I attempt to answer…may I know is this the default ARC measurement for your Sub 2? You did not meddle with the settings like setting the LFE extension slope to “flat” etc. And where is Sub 1 response? You need to see the summation of the 2 subs to better understanding the issue with the sound. For instance, the Low Freq Ext slope have a roll-off around 32Hz of your Sub 2 DOES NOT tell me that

For instance, this calibration report tells me something about your Sub 1 but I don’t see any Sub 2? Is that the actual graph of your sub or just an illustration image from some website??? Very confusing…

I also notice you have applied a lot of Room Gain (RG) - i.e. 6.0dB. May I ask what is the size of your listening area?

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Before I attempt to answer…may I know is this the default ARC measurement for your Sub 2? You did not meddle with the settings like setting the LFE extension slope to “flat” etc. And where is Sub 1 response? You need to see the summation of the 2 subs to better understanding the issue with the sound. For instance, the Low Freq Ext slope have a roll-off around 32Hz of your Sub 2 DOES NOT tell me that

For instance, this calibration report tells me something about your Sub 1 but I don’t see any Sub 2? Is that the actual graph of your sub or just an illustration image from some website??? Very confusing…

I also notice you have applied a lot of Room Gain (RG) - i.e. 6.0dB. May I ask what is the size of your listening area?

@desray
Hi yes the image with subwoofer 2 is not from my system you can disregard that. I just used a random image to ask you about high frequency extension and what it does. The image with subwoofer 1 is from my system and I only have 1 subwoofer. My room size is 3.5 meters by 4.5 meters.
I was thinking, because I messed up on the quick measure side of calibration the levels to the mains came up high resulting high volume levels for the mains at low volume listening and Arc bumped up my room gain to match the mains. Something didn’t seem right with the high room gain and I think it’s because of the quick measure I think. My original results were 6db for the mains and -3.5 for the subwoofer with a room gain of 5.5 before tweaking.
And my original results for the subwoofer 1 was not flat it was 8th on the high pass slope.
Like I said before the system reaches it climax point way too early at low volumes and that results in bass not showing its self in all its glory. And it also sounds bloated and boomy (not so clean).
I think as it stands without recalibrating the system I might get better results if I put the subwoofer level up to +3db and lower the room gain to +3db at room gain frequency of 150hz instead of 200hz. This might give me better tighter bass sound. I don’t have a PC to recalibrate all the time. Only when my brother comes round and he lives far you see.

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I should pay you a visit to listen to your system in order to have a better understanding what you are experiencing. Where u live?

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desrayAdministrator

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I should pay you a visit to listen to your system in order to have a better understanding what you are experiencing. Where u live

I wish you could but I live in UK London.
And by the way as of today what is the best way of reducing the trim levels after ARC. I read at the beginning of the forum that you play around with the master volume, note down the master volume showing in user interface but then one of you stated that withe the new firmware it is no longer an option. Has that changed back to the easy workaround like before.

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Haha. Then I guess maybe u can forward your. arc3 file to me and have a look and see if I can make some tweaks to it.

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Haha. Then I guess maybe u can forward your. arc3 file to me and have a look and see if I can make some tweaks to it.

How do I send you my file. I never done that before.

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Check your DM.

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I will send it to you as soon as I get it from my brother. By the way whicj method is the best way to bring the trim levels down for the main speakers. Many thanks. And happy new year.:+1:

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Hi Destray, I just sent you my Arc file and pdf. Many thanks for helping out.

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Both your files are corrupted. I’m unable to open. Pls re-send.

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Hi Destray, I re-sent you my files. This time I hope you can open them.:+1:

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Hi cinaman, this time I am able to see the pdf and the .arc file. I have commented a few things. Pls follow-up.

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It does look like your subwoofer is not located at an ideal spot. Judging from the big smiley :blush: shape from the graph. If you are using a crossover of 80hz to the subs, then it might be worth putting the subs in a location where you can see an improved amplitude response between 30-60hz

If you don’t have any measurement tools, you can try using ARC and see how the red line looks after changing location of the sub

Do u have an option to change the position of your subwoofer ? Are they now located at the corner of the room ?

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No option to change to subwoofer placement. So any suggestion in getting the main speaker trim levels close to 0db. By the way the reason I dont have laptop is because of money issues. My daughter has Mac book but not the spec Arc is looking for its one below so thats not going to work I guess, but we never tried it. We should try anyway😜. Many thanks. By the way did you look at my other email with long explanation to your questions.

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I think you forget that the email you sent direct to “me” unless you want to post it here?

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Here’s a great comparison discourse from an Anthem AVM 90 user as he compared between Trinnov and Anthem products. Prior to using the Trinnov, he was an Anthem AVM 60 user. He went back to Anthem after using Trinnov Altitude 32. Sometime too much options/settings on the Trinnov can be “curse” than a “blessing”. The last straw that broke the camel’s back was the firmware upgrade that crippled the whole unit, coupled with very poor technical support from Trinnov’s team.

Here’s an excerpt from his personal experience:

In general, when I am watching a movie like Top Gun Maverick, which is utilizing clearly defined audio codecs, I don’t think I would really notice a difference between Trinnov versus Anthem. That is probably the most debatable proposition of all, and many would disagree with me on that point, because if all of the features of Trinnov are utilized, you should hear a difference. The question is whether it is a $20,000 difference – comparing the price of a Trinnov Altitude 32 (what I owned) to an Anthem AVM 90 – and that, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder and of the listener. That said, some guests in my home theater, who had heard Anthem many times over the years, could not hear a clear difference between Anthem and Trinnov.

For those interested, can read here for more details: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/anthem-avm-70-avm-90-processors.3171642/post-62242343

Oh BTW, he also briefly touched on the Lyngdorf product as well. It is all his experience which matters imo. It makes a good general read for those looking to get a Pre-pro or AVR beyond the usual Japanese brands.

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Agree. Too many options in Trinnov can be a curse… recently heard an anthem and all I can say is thumbs up from me by far.

As for CS on Trinnov, I beg to differ. Their CS is excellent in my opinion. To be able to help potentially solve an issue in middle of night is a huge plus for me. Or to even help check and improve sounds on the fly when they remote in is just wow.

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Ya expected, because it’s a giant killer processor! I had the luxury to compare it against the lyngdorf processor

I think the calibrator plays a huge role too

Put a Marantz Processor in the hands of an experienced calibrator and I reckon it can sound very good too compared to someone who owns the AVM90 but has no idea what the controls made available to him does.

So the calibrator plays a very important role as well. The same processor can sound vastly different when calibrated by different people

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Wow really? They respond to your queries in the middle of the night ? Wah that’s unheard of CS quality…