Yes, my understanding is madVR allows user to tweak the curves to their liking, be it soft clip, hard clip, with or without knees.
If you don’t want to spend time to setup curves one by one from scratch, you can download and import other users’ curve file, and tweak from there. I will find some time to load some AVS guys’ curves to test out, and see how I can start from there, to improve my image quality. Will share back…
Thanks bro Bryan, will test out the clip this weekend if I have time.
And can’t agree with you more, tweak to each individual’s content, after all, you are the master of your HT, lol…
It seems like there is some “green push” on your OLED DV version of the Black Panther. But I don’t think it really matters imo. Your projector, your image. Don’t let others dissuade you from what you feel is the “right” overall image that suits you. You shouldn’t feel pressured to conform with others. Your image may be the closest to the reference. The only difference between your setup and the Lumagen/MadVR could be the way we convert a HDR/DV source to SDR using a gamma 2.4 (for Lumagen) to fit in a BT2020. It could be “this conversion” causing such a big difference vis-a-viz yours.
Ya I’ve come to realise with hdr the images look different on all sets. A slight adjustment with iris, tone map curve math used, gamma; viewing conditions etc etc all changes the presentation. For SDR the image is consistent across all the calibrated versions in different set ups . The camera can capture these changes ….
There is nice consistency for SDR. But like what we have seen with hdr, all the calibrated versions between yours, mine, foodie, Sammy, all producing different types of presentation overall, not only for pj, even the oleds look different
Maybe it’s time we put a stop to comparing HDR stuff imo. It is so subjective to provide any meaningful interpretation. Instead we should focus in the overall image quality like whether it can retain specular highlights and the shadow details in dark scenes. Skin tones and colors seems to vary in various display types.
Just saw this comparison chart from the AVSforum kansas city projector shootout where the compared with Madvr processing.
i think it aligns with my understanding of how the extra brightness is used on a HDR image? Not sure what ‘diffuse white’ means though. Bright white but not highlight?
TL;DR version (with the help of ChatGPT) is as follows:
The introduction of the research focuses on the importance of brightness perception in computational displays. It highlights the desire to maintain artistic integrity and consistency in brightness, contrast, and other factors across different displays when viewing content created on a specific screen. The study aims to understand how display size and field of view influence perceived brightness, which can have implications for power consumption, display capabilities, and image quality. The introduction also emphasizes the influence of physical screen size on image perception and the need to investigate this effect further.
The authors conducted subjective studies to explore the impact of display size and field of view on perceived brightness. The study covered a range of screen sizes, from small handheld devices to large cinema screens. The research sought to uncover the relationships between screen size, observer distance, and brightness perception, particularly within common display technologies.
Overall, the experiment aims to provide insights into how screen size, field of view, and other factors impact the perception of brightness and contrast in different visual stimuli. The project is grounded in knowledge of human visual processing and aims to build a comprehensive understanding of how these factors influence perceptual experiences.
In the experiment, participants were seated in a dark cinema room and presented with various displays to match the brightness of stimuli on a reference display. The procedure involved adjusting imagery on a test display using a method-of-adjustment (MOA) procedure. The study explored different conditions, including different screen sizes, distances, and field-of-view setups. The results showed that perceived brightness can vary based on these factors.
The experiment found that larger displays placed further away from the observer tended to appear dimmer, and there was a complex interaction between screen size, distance, and field of view.
What is the benefit to upgrade gpu card.
I plan upgrade to 4070ti. Now I’m using 3060ti.
Can it improve picture quality or reduce flashing in bright scenes such the blue or white sky in long shot.
Hi, new member and new to madvr, I have read alot of information which is wonderful, great place to learn. I had a question though that I could not find an answer too, thus my have a pc with a nvidia 3060ti, have the latest version of madvr and video processor hooked to a LG C3 Oled eArc to Arcam avr20 for 11.4.2 aero3d or atmos. I have been using Appletv for everything, i watch youtubetv, netflix, appletv+, paramount etc…C3 is 120hz capable. I installed all the streaming apps from the MS store that I could.
Questions are, if i start videoprocessor and madvr then watch netflix on the same pc, does madvr still work its magic? Any tips on settings etc? Would it be better to just use my Appletv still but get the hdfury and all that running through the PC? I appreciate your responses in advance.
Yeah, thats a bummer, I was hoping someone would have happened to be playing the windows streaming apps like the netflix dl from the ms store, surely someone can answer if madvr did its thing when using any video source within windows. Maybe control j will tell me idk….just seems like from other members setups, they are using like appletv>hdfury>madvr (pc)> tv/projector or avr. So what is making madvr process appletv if madvr requires like media player or some other video player ? Seems like if videoprocessor / madvr is running in windows, then anything you do in windows madvr processes….like a video passthrough to graphics card to tv. Idk….
MadVR HTPC works only with PC applications that support the DirectShow API. Many Windows media players like Kodi do. Hence Movies in files downloaded from the internet or ripped from Blu Ray can be played using Kodi and MadVR doing the tone mapping. The Windows Netflix app does not use DirectShow and therefore, cannot be used with MadVR.
The MadVR Envy is a very expensive commercial version of a customized PC with MadVR installed together with a video capture card and functions as a stand alone video processor and can’t be used as a PC by the end user. You plug any player into its HDMI input port and it will process the video signal with MadVR and output the rendered video through a HDMI output port.
Video_Processor (VP) is also the name of a Windows program written by some guy and distributed for free on the internet. It turns a PC with MadVR HTPC already installed into something like the commercial MadVR Envy. To use VP, you have to install a Black Magic (BM)video capture card. VP takes video captured from the BM card and outputs it to the HDMI output through DirectShow. If you set DrectShow to use MadVR, then VP makes the HTPC into a simpler version of the expensive MadVR Envy. Because MadVR has the Envy as a commercial product, newer versions of MadVR HTPC do not work with VR. However the older versions from 2021 work fine and they are already excellent in tone mapping. So, this is a way to get commercial grade tone mapping for cheap.
The only way to use Netflix with VP is to connect and external streamer like an Apple TV to the BM HDMI input. VP does not process audio nor handle the HDCP copy protection. Hence, the Vertex2 is sometimes used to redirect the audio to the receiver and remove HDCP.
Thanks so much for the clarification, so all i need to be able to play all the streaming apps i currently run through the appletv to tv, i just need a bm and a vortex and find the old version of madvr and i’ll be all setup……awesome thanks so much.
