HT session with Wind

You mean my rack? It’s 42U. There are a few fans yes for ventilation purpose :slight_smile:

Trinnov waveforming tech

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Yup did share with some members. I watched the video halfway though…

Been through their webinar and they suggest best use with 6 subs for optimum result. 3 front 3 back. Another justification to add more subs lol

Careful with law of diminishing returns.

Lol space is a big challenge. I am extremely satisfied with what I have right now… till waveforming tech comes with the next update then I’ll try it out with what I have

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Kids wanted to watch Chappie (2015). 2 scene that caught my attention and i cut it out.
Chappie 2015 TrueHD 7.1 Atmos-Shooting Practice - the shooting from front to back (breaking of glass bottles)

Chappie 2015 TrueHD 7.1 Atmos-Moose - Just bass. Solid mids and rumbling bass thats all

Link expires in a week. :slight_smile:

http://gofile.me/55ozo/HR4LhjX3H
http://gofile.me/55ozo/9QL0cOYow

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Guardian Of Galaxy Vol 3 fight scene.

Marvel Studios Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 2023 Atmos DV HDR10 Fight Scene.mkv:
http://gofile.me/55ozo/0qvVo0C76

Bass is not bad, but lacks the dynamics. The moment fight begins, can straight away experience “ATMOUSE” in action. Lol

Nevertheless, some subtle surrounds and sound panning still commendable.

As usual, link expires a week. Sharing is caring :grin:

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My main observation about ATMOUSE vs ATMOS on TrueHD is that ATMOUSE sounds like high bit rate music MP3, which isn’t too bad, while TrueHD ATMOS sounds like CD quality, which is almost perfect.

I recalled the real reason behind this weaker Atmos mix from most Disney release is for the benefit of soundbar users. Not everyone have a full blown dedicated speakers like us and most opted for soundbar. We know soundbar can’t reproduce many of the intense scenes with heavy soundmix and bass, hence the Atmouse soundmix is catered for this group. I could be wrong or have misread but it does make sense. In short, it is a choice made by Disney and not because of poor sound mix by Disney studios.

Personally I found that it’s a lot to do with the foley mixer and foley artist. Somehow the quality is lacking when mixing objects or panning for images in the soundmix is taken into consideration. Also the mix seems to lack the dynamics. On the Tom Sawyer demo material, I was playing the demo mixes from A - Z, then I came across avengers scene hulk buster. Immediately I could tell the quality of the Disney mix is much more inferior to the other mixes before that… it’s quite apparently, especially comparing it with a quiet place 2 intro… kinda like day and night difference alien demo was good too… so I was still at alphabet A …

We’ve got not much of a choice if Disney chooses this route… Also, I don’t find myself so “into” Marvel movies nowadays…

How so? I find the story a bit bored, not as engaging for Thor love and thunder, then comes the Ant Man, wakanda, then this Guardians Vol 3… compared to all those Marvel movies before “Thanos”… example, I find it’s ok for me to skip a few scene and not replaying back due to some errands I need to run for my wife…

Could be just me. :person_shrugging:

Atmouse on Disney+ is carried on a Dolby Digital Plus signal at a bitrate of 768kbps because of streaming bandwidth limitations. ATMOS is carried by Dolby TrueHD on a Blu Ray with a bitrate of about 6,000kbps. True ATMOS has 8x the bandwidth of Atmouse. No wonder there is a difference…

Is the difference in atmouse mainly a lower level mix/offset, that one can compensate by turning up the master volume by equivalent amount - say 10dB?

Or is it a dynamic compression, dynamic range issue, like Loudness wars in stereo. Lower dynamic peaks, higher average levels. Sounds louder, but less dynamic?

Good question… I also asking myself over and over again. Why Disney do that to sabotage their sound mix. This just doesn’t make any sense. It seems to be intentional rather than a bad mix. And yes, one way to recover back the loudness is simply to engage dynamic compression like you mentioned will increase the overall loudness of the mix but dynamics is lost.
Pixar animation releases, which incidentally is under the umbrella of Disney don’t seem to have this issue. I am really baffled why is this happening.

Perhaps Disney didn’t have a choice, to carry full ATMOS on Dolby TrueHD for Disney+ would have to increase the transmission bandwidth by 5Mbps. Disney+ video signal is already compressed so they have to weigh video vs audio bandwidth.

Disney Plus streaming aside, even on physical media (bluray and 4K UHD) version of the same movie also not much difference. Some still need to increase the volume to get the level and dynamics.

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I’ll have a listen when I’m back. I remember thinking that ATMOS on the 4K UHD disc for Avengers Endgame sounded much better than atmouse on Disney+ Endgame

For dynamic range compression, night modes, etc, there are already built in settings avr to achieve this effect.

It seems very short sighted to compress the content at source for the same effect.

If it just a level offset, that is easily compensated by turning up the volume.

If one is used to listening to modern recordings, playing some well mastered songs from original 70s or 80s master can sound very underwhelming. But they just have lower average levels, very good dynamics. Cranking them up and they will really rock!.

A lot of remasters of these older recordings then butchers them with compression. I did a tidal trial, and to my dismay, majority of content in Tidal of these classic albums, are the remastered albums. I did not continue the subscription.

On the audio it doesn’t take up much space. Most often the file is compressed on the video section. The MLP is lossless anyway. So it makes no sense whatsoever for Disney to do compression for audio to save disc space . I think it’s just all down to the soundmix engineers at Disney…

I just watched Avengers Engame Chapter “Thanos Return” back to back on Disney+ and UHD Blu Ray. I can now say definitively that there is a substantial difference in sound quality between the Disney+ DD+ Atmouse and the UHD Blu Ray TrueHD ATMOS. Not was it more dynamic and clear, but the bass was much stronger on the TrueHD. DD+ sounded tinny in comparison.

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